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› November 7, 2002
Request for a Weblog Entry Validator
I just finished validating my entire personal website, which is mostly comprised of my weblog. There were only a handful of pages outside the weblog, so they were relatively easy to validate and fix. However, the weblog contains over 250 entries, so it took some time to correct every error. To validate my weblog, I ran my monthly archives through the W3C validator, analyzed the validation report and then corrected the validation errors. Most validation errors were caused by unknown entities in URLs. I fixed these errors by running the URLs through the Hivelogic URL Cleaner.
I'm very happy to have a completely validating website, but fixing 50+ validation errors isn't something I want to do again anytime soon. That made me think about validating weblog entries on an individual basis within the Movable Type interface. Ideally, I'd like to type my post, and then before I save/publish it, click a button that would open a popup window and tell me if any validation errors existed in my text. Does anything like this exist? If not, is there anyone in the Movable Type community willing to create a new entry validator?
I previously started a thread at the Movable Type Support Forum on this topic. If you have any thoughts that might contribute to a solution, I encourage you to also reply in the support forum.
Comments
1. November 7, 2002 12:26 PM
2. November 7, 2002 01:18 PM
Joshua Kaufman Posted…
I use a combination of IE and Mozilla on both PC and Mac, so I would like something that works cross-platform. Can you enlighten me on how IE’s built-in XML parser can do this?3. November 7, 2002 01:25 PM
Joshua Kaufman Posted…
I’m thinking out loud here: What about a php script that could pull the text out of the textarea, build a page on the webserver with the proper xhtml tags and DOCTYPE, stick the text from the textarea in between the <body> tags and then send the W3C validator to the new page? I don’t know that much about php, but it sounds workable.4. November 7, 2002 01:30 PM
dkr Posted…
Not sure about the hows involved, but I would LOVE to see something like this.5. November 7, 2002 02:50 PM
Dave Posted…
The nice thing about the XML parser I mentioned above (I don’t mean to toot my own horn) is that it works on any ECMA-262 compliant browser, so it will work on IE and Mozilla (except IE5.x on the Mac :(). Since all the checking is done on the client, you get the results immediately. Here’s all the code that’s needed:
<script type=“text/javascript” src=“xmlp.js”></script>
<script type=“text/javascript”>
function doParse() {
var parser = new XMLParser();
var form = document.forms[0];
// wrap contents of textarea with root element
var xml = “<root>” + form.elements[0].value + “</root>”;
try {
parser.parse(xml);
}
catch (e) {
alert(“ERROR: ” + e.message);
return false;
}
return true;
}
</script>
<form action=“someaction” onsubmit=“return doParse()”>
<textarea></textarea>
<input type=“submit” />
</form>
Again, it does not check the post against the DOCTYPE, so it does not meet your needs entirly, but it will prevent malformed XHTML from getting through. The PHP solution sounds great too. I’m sure some PHP hackers or MT folks would be up for the task! I can see this being a very useful feature.
6. November 7, 2002 03:41 PM
Simon Willison Posted…
My current solution (with my home-grown PHP weblog) is to run entries through PHP’s bulit in XML parser when they are added. If it picks up any well-formedness errors it tells me about them–in my experience almost all XHTML validation errors are due to badly formed XML.
This doesn’t have any advantages over the javascript XML parser suggested–in fact I’m tempted to add that as well as a client side validation layer.
Of course, the above does not pick up XHTML specific errors such as block elements inside inline elements, but since blog posts tend to use relatively simple markup (mostly paragraphs and links) I don’t see that as being a problem.
If you want to go down the W3C validation route you may find my proof-of-concept W3C Validator Web Service of interest. It uses the new beta validator’s XML output option, which can easily be grabbed using PHP. They haven’t frozen their interface yet (it is still under heavy development) but when they do it shouldn’t be hard at all to build a weblog tool that checks entries against the validator automatically.
7. November 7, 2002 04:39 PM
sil Posted…
Python’s HTML/SGML parsers can track which tags are left unclosed and then close them, which is something similar but orthogonal to this requirement. My inclination is to have it done server-side, using something like Simon’s XML-RPC validator, especially since then you don’t have to be using XHTML (which is considered harmful anyway according to Hixie).8. November 7, 2002 05:50 PM
Keith Devens Posted…
I have the luxury of using my own StructuredText parser — all my weblog entries are written in StructuredText, so as long as my ST parser outputs valid XHTML, I’m guaranteed to be valid. Same goes for comments on my site. The only time posts tend to not be valid XHTML is when I use PHP’s built in code highlighter for PHP code, which uses font tags all over the place.9. November 7, 2002 08:07 PM
James Posted…
Kieth, have any plans to open source your cms when its complete?10. November 7, 2002 08:17 PM
Keith Devens Posted…
I am planning to, yes. I haven’t decided for absolutely sure, but I probably will. However, the StructuredText parser is available from my site right now if you want it. It’s kind of a mess ;) but that’s why I’m working on the second version, which will be what I use with my CMS.11. November 8, 2002 07:27 AM
Dylan Posted…
For those naked ampersands I just made a bookmarklet for cleaning up URLs. Handy in that you can make a clean URL from the page you are currently viewing in your browser.
12. January 29, 2003 09:09 PM
Joshua Kaufman Posted…
Ask and it shall be granted. Thank you Alexei Kosut! Whoever you are!13. May 14, 2003 10:58 AM
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John A Posted…
Humm, I've done this on my site recently, but I guess I am a few years late to the discussion :(
I was packaging up submitted comments (and my own entries) and sending them off to W3C through JavaScript (something similar to the newly named "Ajax") for validation.
I have since taken that out and am relying on my PHP version to do the same thing because the JavaScript version wouldnt allow Macs to comment (dont have a Mac to test it out on). I would like to find (or create) a pure JavaScript XML parser which can validate to a DTD, but don't really have the time at the moment ...
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Dave Posted…
If you are using XHTML (and you should be!) you could try to incorporate my JavaScript XML parser. You’d have to tweak it to wrap the post in a fake “root” element, but then it could tell whether or not the particular post is well-formed XML. It could not, however, tell you whether or not your post is valid (i.e. conforms to a particular DOCTYPE), but it would catch things like misplaced ampersands, unknown entities, tags that aren’t closed, etc.
Better yet, if you use IE for your posts, you could do the same thing using its built-in XML parser.